Tuesday, April 22, 2008

1916 Rising's First Casualties- Ballykissane Co Kerry.

Last Saturday I attended a commemoration in Ballykissane near Killorglin to commemorate the first casualties of the 1916 Easter Rising. It was well attended and a stirring atmosphere was ensured by the presence of the excellent Smith/Hehir/Harford/Doherty and Bell Republican Flute band who travelled all the way from Dublin for the event. The story of these first casualties in the 1916 Rising is intriguing for a number of reasons, not least the great 'what if' factor of wondering what might have happened had their mission not ended so tragically arising from a Hardyesque case of wrong directions. On Good Friday 21st April 1916, six men set off from Dublin by train to Killarney, Charlie Monaghan, Donal Sheehan, Con Keating, Dennis Daly, Thomas McInerney,and Colm O'Lochlainn. According to the memoirs of Gerry Plunkett, they were to travel by car to Cahirciveen, in order to seize control of the wireless station on Valentia Island. From there, the plan was that they would signal to the British Navy a German naval attack on the Scottish coast. The purpose of this would be to distract the British naval presence from the Kerry coast , thus facilitating the landing of 2000 German rifles , and 10 machine guns, at Banna Strand from the U-boat 'The Aud'. On board that U-boat a small group of Irish Republican's led by Sir Roger Casement were then to liase with Austin Stack in Tralee, so as to ensure that the weaponry was distributed throughout the country to coincide with the Easter Rising in Dublin on Easter Sunday. The men travelling to Kerry from Dublin had each been selected for their particular expertise, Keating originally from Cahirciveen was a radio expert and had been a radio officer on a number of ships. Monaghan was a mechanic and a wireless installation expert, Sheehan had worked at the War Office and knew the Admiralty codes.
On arrival at Killarney the group transferred into two motor vehicles. Denis Daly drove the first car with Colm O'Lochlainn, Thomas McInerney drove the second car carrying Con, Charlie, and Donal. Since Denis knew the route, McInerney was to follow his tail-lights. However, as is often the case in life, plans began to unravel when a breakdown and a curious RIC officer held up the lead car. Somehow the second vehicle lost sight of the second car, just outside Killorglin McInerney asked a young girl for directions to Cahirciveen. She told them to take the first turn on the right, not knowing the road Thomas mistook the turn leading to the quay. In the darkness he only realised his mistake when the two front wheels of the car went over the unprotected edge into the River Laune, which is deep and wide at this point. It is said that in the moonlight, the reflection of the water resembled a continuance of the road, and having been there I can confirm that the pier is extraordinarily continuous to the road. In the ensuing panic the car became unbalanced and fell into the River with its four passengers still on board. Totally disoriented Thomas McInerney started to swim heading in the wrong direction, only for the intervention of local man Thady O'Sullivan, who guided him back to the shore. At this stage it was clear that the three other occupants of the car had somehow become trapped in the vehicle, and had sadly in all likelihood quickly drowned.Other local people among them Patrick Begley and his son Michael, an Irish teacher based in Limerick had made strenuous efforts to rescue them, but this proved impossible. Cold and disheartened, the one survivor and the rescuers gathered in the O'Sullivan's kitchen. McInerney was advised to go to the RIC barracks and report the incident. Whilst away, McInerneys wet overcoat was picked up, and a revolver was discovered in it, Patrick Begley soon realised that there was more to the nights events than at first thought. At that moment the RIC arrived at the cottage, Begley hid the revolver by sitting on it under a cushion, . The RIC had arrested a man in Tralee, and were alert to the possibility of some Fenian related activity in the area. McInerney stuck to his story that he had been driving tourists around Kerry, and that he did not know the occupants of the car personally. On a wet Holy Saturday morning the bodies of Con Keating and and Donal Sheehan were located by fishermen, no trace of Charlie Monaghan was found until October, some six months later, when his body was discovered on an island in the River. That same morning McInerney tried to retrieve his revolver from Patrick Begley, but Begley said that if the RIC returned it would be better if he was not carrying a weapon. As predicted, they did indeed return and arrested Thomas McInerney, he was transferred after the Rising was suppressed to to the prison camp in North Wales, Frongoch, which was to be the destination of the bulk of those Republicans captured after the Rising. McInerney on release from Frongoch rejoined the IRA and was later killed in County Tipperary.

What we will never know is what would have happened if the unit had succeeded in their mission. Would they have managed to divert the British navy, if they had succeeded in this, then landing the weaponry at Banna would have had a greater chance of success. However to be fair, the arrest of Austin Stack in Tralee would have made distribution well nigh impossible, since he was the key link between the Aud and the local Irish Republican Brotherhood organisation. Nevertheless it is an interesting and little told tale, which is moving for the fact that it illustrates the way in which human error often plays a significant part in determining historical events.

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Anonymous said...

The events at Ballykissane were a disgrace. Grand theft of a car by 3 traitors (Fenians). The speculation should be what could have happened if the constitutional issues of the time could have been resolved in a peaceful manner. The island of Ireland never stood a chance when both the UVF of the North and the Fenians of the south were both buying arms from Germany. The tradition of political violence in Ireland is a curse and as a "Kissane" I resent bitterly a monument to terrorists in Ballykissane.

Anonymous said...

The Kissane family do not welcome unsolicited attention from West Belfast and Dublin Republicians who visit Ballykissane. We want their IRA monument removed from our village. Our people (Kissanes) died on Flanders fields and we would like a monument to them. The IRA assault on Ballykissane started a bloodletting in Ireland that lasted 80 years. This is nothing to be proud of. As for "Communist" go live in North Korea.

regards
A Son of the Red Saltire presently in KingWilliamstown, Munster Ireland

Anonymous said...

Have any of you fellows read the text AUD by Xander Clayton? That tome happens to give the fullest details ever published about the events at Ballykissane in April 1916. Much more than is presented above. (some of which is incorrect by the way - sorry!) The book AUD is a most unpredjudicial history narrative that does not pick sides in this debate. Worth a read. There is a website about it on www.aud-n.org if that helps any...

Anonymous said...

REgarding the last comment. I read the book. So the German sailors were detained for the duration. Good. They were POWs intent on war making in Ireland. The fact is Irish terrorists like their UVF fellow islanders before them were in league with the enemy of the time. Nothing positive has come from their actions. It is interesting to note that for all the actions of Germany at the time in Ireland, Germany had to pay a terrible price twich, was divided and lost much territory in Prussia and people. What goes around comes around. Many believe that the Fenians also got what they deserved ...drunk in charge of a car and drowned.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the last above comment... I very much doubt u actually read that book mate. Otherwise you wouldn't have written the above. Checking on what you yourself wrote - it's clear that you just skimmed thru the writer's website and closed yer mind again. Yer own views must be very biased I fear.

Anonymous said...

Well these are interesting comments. I have read the book. The Germain Captain had a low opinion of the Irish Fenians. His version of events was the accepted version until history was more recently "revised" by Irish nationalists who paint a more favourable picture of the Fenians. The facts are that these guys stole a car and drove it into the sea and drowned while co operating with enemies of the state. The result was the division of Ireland and thousands killed. Only in 2008 after 90 years are we emerging from that nightmare. So anom Nov 4, who has the closed mind ? Germany did get what it deserved with suffering on a scale much worse than Ireland. But those Fenians and THe Kaiser / 3rd reich were bed fellows. I recall another IRA leader died during WW2 in another German submarine. He too had a statue (in a DUblin Park). Readers of this should be educated that the Irish state up to very recently had a statue suppoting the 3rd Reich in a public park. The public outrage that ensured its removal must now bw directed to that structure in Ballykissane.

Anonymous said...

Well that seals it - you definitely could never read that book which throws considerable spotlight across your very prejuducial and blatantly one-sided argument. Your above comments prove any reading or understanding of the book "AUD by Xander Clayton" to be a complete impossibility. 'Interesting' or not - you've simple just blubbed from the author's own spiel as given on his website. Otherwise you would have much more to rant on about regarding statues and monuments etc etc. For example; would you even have enough access to the AUD book to be able to state exactly what is on page 141?

Anonymous said...

Quote from: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fenian Fenian: Common term used to describe sub human beings that populate certain areas of Glasgow and Ulster and Kerry .Can be recognised by green and grey/brown stained hooped shirts.The creatures have not evolved socially or economically for 150 years as immigrants,where as other immigrants to Scotland have flourished and become an inportant part of the Countries social and economic vitality,like Asians,Italians and English immigrants.
One important feature to remember about these unfortunate creatures is their parasitical nature,they don't work and beg mostly as a past-time,waiting to collect their giros. Also to be noted is that they are very paranoid,extremely ugly and have dreadful personal hygeine.

In closing,despite having their own schools,paid for by the state,and having every opportunity to better them selves they still remain to this day the festering bigotted sore on Scottish society.
Haw get tae fuck away fae the wheel trims ya smelly fenian basturt.

John Kissane said...

We do not want Fenians in Bally Kissane. We do not vote for them. They are a thundering disgrace that gives meaning to the Famine Song of Scotland.

Patrick Kissane said...

It is time for some facts about Ballykissane. It is the geographic origin of the Kissane surname. Kissanes have given their best in defence of King and Country as: Matthew Kissane (British Army) who gave his life in 1947, In WW2; John Kissane RN died in 1944, Leslie Kissane (British Army) died in 1945 and Patrick Kissane RN died in 1940. In WW1 John Kissane (British Army) died in 1917. Maurice Kissane (British Army) died 1916 and Patrick Kissane (British Army) died in 1918. Many other Kissanes were injured in the wars. WE DO NOT WELCOME THAT FENIAN STATUE IN OUR VILLAGE. Kissanes fought as both officers and enlisted men.

Anonymous said...

What strange people these Kissanes must be! What blatant snobbery! Wow. Simply put: The Kissanes who by their own words seemingly 'own' the village of Ballykissane and by default all of their subjects allowed to dwell in it are displaying very troubled and deluded attitudes. They clearly are prepared to lie and cheat to make a point. They refer to a book ( The Aud written by an author called Xander Clayton ) as having been read by them with reference to the Ballykissane incident - which VERY obviously they could not possible have ever EVER read. Their quoted and printed historical/factual inaccuracies prove this very point. They are missing the real point here -> The Kissanes are being proved to be liars by saying they have read this book. The Kissanes are lying!! Otherwise the technicalities would be accurate. The Ballykissne Drowning, the cars used, the RIC police reports given in court are used extensively as evidence in the referred book. By contradicting the reports the Kissanes trip themselves up every time in attemoting to deceive. There is no need for it. Why do it?

Most 'Fenians' (if such a thing possibly still exists in the 21st century) accept that brave men died on all sides in WWI and WW2. Everyone is entitled to honour their dead. Even the so-called 'Fenians' the backward and outdated Kissane family so happily abuse. (Apologies to the Kissanes if some buffoon is taking your name in vein here.)

But whoever these 'Kissane' authors are need to deceive and lie - which is the REAL central problem here. It indicates a very sorry but obviously necessary condition created by their own strong prejudices. Their language is demeaning, patronising, condescending, and deliberately insulting to their neighbours. It smacks of the 19th century attitides of the once landed gentry of colonial times. (which makes me think it must be imposters writing on behalf of the Kissanes).

However, taking the comments at face value - Such throwback snobbery does not belong in a democratic state. I myself am not a 'Fenian' (lol) or an IRA man, or Nationalist of any kind. I am a British subject and a servant of HM the Queen. But I at least believe I have the basic ability to recognise truth and fact in history. Plain and simply that.

All sides should be allowed to erect monuments to their dead. In fact, British memorials far outweigh the handful of 'Fenian' stones standing on these islands. These Kissanes have an outdated bias against what they term 'Fenians'. It's quite sickening really. It's simply just prejuducal snobbery and nothing to do with history. If it is the Kissanes writing - The people of Ballykissane owe nothing to people with such a disgraceful attitude to such a lovely peaceful community.

There is no doubt that the Kissanes that fought in wars of the past sacrificed their lives gallantly and bravely for causes they believed to be honourable, just and morally right. BUT THEY MUST BE WRITHING IN THEIR GRAVES IN SHAME having to endure the latest generation that speaks for them today. Let us hope the above authors are fakes and not the real Kissanes. It would be shameful to such a noble family if it were.

Red Saltire said...

To anonymous of July 20th. Be not mistaken. Patrick and John Kissane are real and reflect deeply held beliefs. The legacy of WW1 era gun running came back to haunt us in the more recent troubles when a latter day elected representative in Kerry was involved in terrorist gun running. Such behaviour is not peaceful. BTW Local Fenians would not allow a War Memorial for the WW1/2 dead but installed their own statue. As for Kissane attitudes. There are about 1150 Kissanes on this planet. 800 in the US, 200 in Ireland, 50 in UK and the rest are scattered from Senegal to Australia. THey were poor Irish who as 2 brothers in the 1760s worked as rent collectors (hence the name Cashman sometimes used in place of Kissane).

Anonymous said...

I wonder whether the contribution of 20th July came from the author of "that book". All the Scottish comment of June 26 gave was unacceptable behaviour. This was matched (but in more measured language) by the insults of the Fenian loving communist on 20th July. Why did he/she call previous contributors liars. This is typical of communists and facists who cannot accept the opinions of others. Our opinion is that we do not want that statue in BallyKissane. We dont own the town but we come from the town and its general area. Ireland has a similar opinion. In recent elections gun runners and their families who failed to condemn the killing of Gardai and PSNI/BA did not get elected.

Anonymous said...

To understand why people in BallyKissane dislike the paramilitary trappings of the IRA memorial in the village have a look at: http://www.anphoblacht.com/news/detail/27744 Here you will see a picture of self appointed people in military uniforms. This evil is not welcome in BallyKissane

Anonymous said...

Nothing ever changes. This week (Aug 09) a convicted Republician gun runner (fenian) collected 2 convicted murderers from an Irish Gaol. Fenians never change. They killed RIC in the early 20th C. and again killed Gardai in the late 20th C. They also tried to smuggle weapons via Co Kerry. We should be grateful that they failed and either died through their own stupidity as drunken drivers of a stolen car drowning off a pier or in the late 20th C. were caught and suffered the full rigour of Irish law. As for "Communist" go live in North Korea, Loas or Cuba. Your life style is not welcome at Moll's (Kissane) Gap. MYRIH.

Anonymous said...

about the lad saying Xender Clayton writes for this website forum I doubts it. all the above is a pointless argument. I herd him on the radio in june and He lives in Spain and refuses poinblack to corespond with webfolk as he has no time for any body. not so good is it for a writer? but i tink he researches 99% of his time. any inteview atall is rare as rocking horse plop. appaently he is writng a sequel to his Aud book. so a busy man i thinks. It would be easy to find out any way as he has an email address on the Auds website of www.aud-n.org which has his email addresses on it. i wrote sevaral times but never got an answer to my queries but his secretary answers questions alright. thatll so;ve that paerticular query. as for the row above over nothing... get a life you people!

Anonymous said...

Hey Commie. Make no mistake about it, the Germans of 1916 were not interested in Irish freedom. They provided guns to both Irish Unionists in Ulster and Irish Nationalists in the south. The Aud sailors should have been executed. Their activities condemned Ireland to 80 years of troubles. The only consolation is that Germany suffered more for her crimes. As for Franco's supporter Xender Clayton, it is better that he remain in Spain. He is not welcome in Ballykissane. MHRIH

brianakira said...

Aren't the Kissane-Cashmans crypro-Jews, Freemasons, landlords?

Still, it's true that the IRA, UVF and the whole lot of them are destructive scum.

Deirdre said...

I'm not into contemporary politics, so I'm probably writing on the wrong page. I'm a historian by trade. I can see that for many of you the above subjects agitate and agrivate some very deep-seated feelings. And why not, it's the tribal right of each of you. No matter the opinion or side. "Landlord" or Slav! But, I think it's fair to clarify a point or so of the above: Firstly, anyone promoting the use of aggression (be it verbal, visual or physical) as a means change will meet equal resistence. It is human nature. Violence begets violence. We have to use our 'intelligence' to overcome aggressive impulses. The only way of doing that is to struggle to see life objectively. To see the World through the eyes of those that mean to oppose you. It is an act of moral and philosophical achievement. We rise above our normal in-built animal insticts to become less animal and more human. This is the special element that makes us 'human' rather than pure animals. But the key is to become MORE than human. This strengh is used by our great diplomats and leaders who genuinely strive to keep peace in this World. Standing, screaming and stamping our feet to put a point across is just the animal side in control. In short, it would be better if we could all listen to eachother without being petty and aggressive.

Secondly, I have actually taken the 'tome' of 800 odd pages from our library of Xander Clayton's Aud history. It would seem that he is NOT Spanish, or in Spain. But lives in Devon in Britain.

I will also say that he appears far from being a fascist, a commie, or a fenian. In fact it is difficult to discern from the book what he is. He writes with the same gusto on Royal Navy topics as he does about German or Irish matters. It appears neutral. Of no leniency to any side.Each side is equally lambasted or praised for what ever actions they are documented as having taken.

This is a good history book. Because it seeks to tell the history within a neutral context. Few history books actually do - which only leads to distrust. And rightly so. Not writing from any particular point of view. It tells everyones side.

The detail on the people, ships and places involved is vast and the photography truly inspiring. It makes you want to find out more about places like Ballykissane, Banna Strand, Captain Spindler and his crew. Hence how I cam across this web blog.

Having spent the past couple of weeks absorbing it, I would recommend it for anyone interested in Irish, British and German relations during World War One.

Anonymous said...

Maurice Kissane

L/Corporal Grenidier Guards 2nd Battalion. Number 23480

Killed in Action Battle of The Somme 15th September 1916

May he rest in Peace

Patrick Kissane
L/Corporal Royal Dublin Fusiliers 2nd Battalion, number 41464

Killed in Action 2nd Battle of the Somme 21 March 1918

May he rest in Peace

May the Fenians who built their monument in BallyKissane rot in hell. WE WANT OUR KISSANE WW1 WAR DEAD REMEMBERED IN OUR VILLAGE ON A WAR MEMORIAL

Anonymous said...

Stephen Kissane
Royal Engineers
Decorated during WW1
No. 132131

Danial Kissane
Cheshire Regiment Chester and Tralee
Taken as a POW during WW1

John Kissane
Royal Irish Regiment
Decorated for Valour Dec 1914 and discharged Jan 1915

John Kissane
Royal Munster Fusiliers
28/8/15 - 6/5/19

John Kissane
Joined 18/1/08
gassed in combat, lost a leg and discharged on 2/8/1916

Martin Kissane
Royal Engineers
N0 185481
Survived the war

Richard Kissane
Deserted during the second battle of the Somme 27/4/1918
Fate unsure but may have paid the ultimate price for his actions on 29/8/1918

and in WW2

Leslie Kissane
Dorsetshire Regiment
killed in France 28th March 1945


May all the above Kissanes rest in peace.

It is a disgrace that Gerry Adams (a Belfast Republician) can prance around BallyKissane praising three drunken Fenians in 1916 who stole a car and died when they drove the car off a pier into the sea. The law abiding population of the BallyKissane area in 1914-1919 worked hard as small land owners or in government service in the Army or in the Prison Service. Unfortunately they cannot have a monument to their efforts in Ballykissane. Honour is today only given to the traitors who had truck with Germany.

Anonymous said...

The Thiepval Memorial to the Missing of the Somme is a major war memorial to 72,090 missing British and Commonwealth men who died in the Battle of the Somme of the First World War and who have no known grave. It is located in France near village of Thiepval, Picardie. Maurice Kissane is represented on the memorial. Fenians from outside BallyKissane have made it impossible to honour WW1 war dead in BallyKissane.

Anonymous said...

Brianakira, you show your true colours by suggesting Kissanes are Jews and Freemasons. There is nothing wrong with being a Jew or a Freemason. However Kissanes of Co. Kerry in 1916 were reltively poor Irish Catholics who in the main supported the establishment and the elected political system of that time. Your web site is a disgrace. But typical of Irish Republicians who supported Hitler suring the WW2.

Anonymous said...

for Brianakira
Please note the following historical event

28 JUNE 1947
At approximately 2230 hours a taxi stopped outside the Astoria Bar Haifa. From the taxi jumped a youth of about 17 years of age who entered the bar with TSMC in his hand. He fired one burst round the room and severely injured Captain Kissane 9th Bn Para Regm. Then there was a slight lapse in which time most of the occupants had gone to earth. Then another youth entered with a TSMC and fired another burst round the Bar injuring (not severely) Major Waddy 9th Bn and Lieutenant Laws 6 Airborne Division Anti-Tank Regiment.
Lieutenant Colonel Rickford, CO 3rd Bn phoned me up and corroborated this and said that he had dispatched Captain Kissane to Government Hospital under escort of Captain Glover 9th Bn, also present in the Bar, and Major Waddy and Lieutenant Laws to 42nd General Hospital.
Besides the aforementioned officers, Major Lawson 9th Bn, Major Liddle Daaq., Major Cordaza GII "I" and other officers of 3rd Bn were also present.
Members of the party had fired at taxi on its departure and when found in Hadar had several bullet holes in back. There is information phoned 3rd, 8th and 9th Bns with reference to the woman who was detained by Military Personnel.
All Bns 'C' Squadron have been informed of this incident, and the three injured officers were admitted to 42 General Hospital this evening.
'C' Squadron and 8th Bn instructed to maintain Road blocks until further notice though as from 0500 hours they may allow vehicles into Haifa at same time keeping strong check on passengers, etc.
Received following information from 42 General Hospital: Captain Kissane 9th Para Bn - Died at 0355 hours 29th June; Major Waddy 9th Para Bn - has been operated on successfully and is in satisfactory condition. Lieutenant Laws 6 Airborne Anti-Tank Regiment - O.K.
WO 275/44

Anonymous said...

I have something else to add to the above

KISSANE, Brian
Rank: Fusilier
Service No: 14185988
Regiment: Royal Irish Fusiliers
Date of death: 7 March 1948
Age at death: 19
Died how: Died in British Palestine

Buried or Commemorated: Ramleh War Cemetery, Israel
Bur or Com Ref: Plot 15 Row C Grave 11
Born 29 June 1928

brianakira said...

I'm not sure what's the point of some responses here.

Re: "There is nothing wrong with being a Jew or a Freemason"

Well there is something wrong with becoming a Jew, and Freemasons are filth.

And I'm not an "Irish Republican".

And I'm not an imperialist.

And the Zionist scum whose actions you cite were connected to the IRA scum.

And the Stern Gang also killed Jewish British soldiers, so what's your point?

I just heard that the Kissanes are old crypto-Jews from Spain, and they got rich scamming people, as is their usurious custom, and that's why they are also known as Cashman, and why they are so often landlords and feel it their right to lord it over the lowly profane goyim natives. I had thought that probably just a story, but I see some confirmation on this page.

Thank you for the edification.

brianakira said...

Is Kissane/Cashman not related to "cíos" or "cáin", proving they're a long line of parasites?

No?

Anonymous said...

For Brianakira. There are some very disturbing undertones to your comments which are off point to the events in Ballykissane on Good Friday 1916. Describing people as rats or old testiment cain types shows a racist outlook which is unwelcome to many.

Ballykissane litterly means the town of kissane and this is where the surname began. In family lore some were rent collectors for the local land lord Mcgillicuddy (of the Reeks). This dates back to 1560 to 1585 and those who were rent collectors adopted the name Cashman or Cash rather than Kissane and moved to Co. Cork. The move related to Conor McGillycuddy killing his kinsman Donal O'Sullivan Beare.

brianakira said...

Where on Earth did I ever describe anybody as "rats" or as "old testiment cain types"?

Are you stoned?

And how can I be racist? First of all, it's Jews who are the most racist people on Earth. And I was speaking of the generational ideology of Judaic supremacism anyway, not "race".

Re: "In family lore some were rent collectors for the local land lord Mcgillicuddy (of the Reeks). This dates back to 1560 to 1585 and those who were rent collectors adopted the name Cashman or Cash rather than Kissane and moved to Co. Cork."

Right. That's what I said, Cíos.

While Jews were still banned from England, Gil Annes was infiltrated into Ireland. His grandson was the first Jew in the British Isles granted civic authority over Christians when he was installed as Mayor of Youghal in 1555. Francis Drake’s spy, Francis Annyas [also written as Ãnes, Ames (Aldrich Ames?), and Ennis], was installed as mayor of Youghal in 1569, in 1576, and in 1581. He commanded the English garrison in Youghal during the Desmond Rebellions. His daughter married Yakov ben Yahuda ben Schlomo ben Nasi ben Yahuda Kassin (Shamus Ciosain, son of Sean/Juan Kassin, son of Francisco Cassin, son of Juan Katzim, etc. …). Yakov’s daughter, Abigail Kassin, married her cousin, Menashe Kassin of Aleppo. Abigail and Menashe’s daughter, Rebecca (Rivka) Kassin, would later be sent back to Ireland to marry her cousin Francisco Cassin Rodriguez. These Jewish protomasons served English colonialisation and Protestant plantation. Sir Walter Raleigh was mayor of Youghal in 1588 and 1599 and lived at Myrtle Grove.

The Kassin are related to the Cassin/Kassin/Katzin (“Judges”) in Syria, Spain and France. Kassin is sometimes anglicized as Kassine or Cashman — reflecting their role as landlords (“cíos” meaning “rent” in Irish) — and also as Coronet or Colonel. Their main infiltration route was via Galway Bay, but the family had previously worked with the Norman invaders. Their main “industries” were usury, and collecting rents and taxes. Most of the Galway settlement, however, in their Claddagh colony, kept apart from the profane, were mostly fisherman — due to the Talmudic prohibition against agriculture — and elected their own “king”. The kabbalistic Claddagh ring combines keter (head, crown), din (justice, hands) and khesed (mercy, heart). The heart is tiferet. The three strands are the sefirot of hod, netzach and yesod. The ring symbolizes shekinah.Kissane’s later served under Daniel Mahony, the Jewish “King of Kerry”. [Is this why John Kerry's Sabbatean family chose "Kerry" as a surname when seeking power in Irish Boston?]

Francisco Cassin Rodriguez moved to Ireland as the pseudo-Protestant Francis Rogers, and married his cousin Rebecca (Rivka) Kassin (daughter of Menashe and Abigail Kassin). Their son Robert (Reuben) Rogers married Isabel Fernandez in Spain and Robert and Isabel’s son Diogo (Yomtob) Kassin became the crypto-rabbi of Galway.

A later Rabbi Juan Kassin (Yehuda ben Yomtob Kassin/John Kissane/Sean Ciosain) was born in Aleppo in 1708 and became the Frankist Chief Rabbi of Ireland and a rent-collector. Two of his sons (Bekhor and Eliyahu, Rabbi of Aleppo, whose son Raphael became Rabbi of Baghdad) remained in Syria, and three (Michael, Gabriel and Raphael) carried on the family traditions in Ireland. Michael Kissane married his cousin Mary Rogers (descended from Francisco Cassin Rodriguez). Their son, Francis Rogers Kissane, married Sarah Frank, daughter of Jacob Leib Frank. Fancis and Sarah’s son, John Noblett Kissane, married Mary Galvin/Galvan, a fellow Frankist.

Rabbi Raphael Kissan of Baghdad’s son Michael was sent to Ireland as Michael Kissane, where he married his cousin Mary Kissane. Mary’s brother Dionillo Kissane married Mary Connor (daughter of Mary Kissane). Dionollo and Mary’s son Michael married Johanna Walsh (daughter Esther Johanna Montefiore).

Anonymous said...

This web site is crazy. Brianakira so what happened next ...after Esther Johanna Montefiore

brianakira said...

You tell me.

Anonymous said...

http://miriamhakedosha.blogspot.com/2007/09/vauclause-region-home-of-kassin-family.html

Read the above site. It has the full story !

Anonymous said...

hello,
I am a Kissane from Kerry and i think what the 'Kissanes' from Ballykissane are saying about having the monument removed is an outrage.Those men who died in ballykissane are true Irish heros.

Anonymous said...

To the writer 23 Nov 2009 at 10.20. Would you agree to a monument to the dead of WW1 from the area with equal respect given to the Republician dead. This site is a little mad with hot heads from all sides making wierd contributions. What is true is that too many people from the area lost lives and limbs during WW1 at a time of great change at home. It was also a time when Kissanes forgot their Jewish roots and believed they are true Irish Gaels. In fact they are neither Planter or Gael but they are Irish now and have been for hundreds of years.

I would be interested to know whether readers to this blog would support a WW1 memorial

Anonymous said...

To the writer 23 Nov 2009 at 10.20. Would you agree to a monument to the dead of WW1 from the area with equal respect given to the Republician dead. This site is a little mad with hot heads from all sides making wierd contributions. What is true is that too many people from the area lost lives and limbs during WW1 at a time of great change at home. It was also a time when Kissanes forgot their Jewish roots and believed they are true Irish Gaels. In fact they are neither Planter or Gael but they are Irish now and have been for hundreds of years.

I would be interested to know whether readers to this blog would support a WW1 memorial

Anonymous said...

I cant see why Irish people went to fight for england when there was a war going on at home, their sould not be a WW1 memorial anywhere in Ireland. During the famine, what did the english do? only make it worse. I just hope all my reletives wernt like this.

Maybe the Kissanes werent Irish gaels at this time, but thats no excuse to betray the irish people.

Anonymous said...

Anom of 23/11/09 1.26 PM. What betrayal are you talking about. Before WW1 the Germans armed both Irish Unionists and Irish Republicians to make a civil war in Ireland. The Irish people, both Orange and Green were gullible to do business with Germany. WW1 started in 1914. It was a further 2 years until the Easter Rising. Irish people who supported the Irish Parliamentary Party and Unionist Party joined the army for work and money. ie both Orange and Green. Two years into the war, the events of Good Friday 1916 started a war in Ireland that really has lasted until now.

It is interesting that some Kissanes in Co Kerry support the link with Germany in WW1. That same Germany in WW2 would have put them in gas chambers.

There is nothing worse than a convert. Perhaps the worst example today is the President of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad who was born to a Jewish family that converted to Islam when he was 3 years old for economic reasons and now he trethens Israel with total destruction.

The tragedy of Ballykissane is that during WW1 every trace of an old Irish Jewish tradition was destroyed and some the few survivors support the efforts of a nation (Germany) that was killing Kissanes during WW1 and would if it cound have, gassed and executed all Kissanes in WW2.

I write this as a Irish Born Kissane of Kerry extraction

Anonymous said...

The planning of a rebelion started on the 9 of september 1914. Traditionally, Irish revolutionary nationalists have looked to England’s enemies for aid. I dont support germany in the wars but we had a common enemy and this was the best way to gain irish freedom.

I am not a convert i was born an Irish citizan and belive in Irish freedom.You dont expect ireland not to rebel just because the kissanes were jews,thats ridiculous.

My point is not about supporting the germans its about the struggel for independance in ireland, and the brave men who fought for freedom should be remembered anywhere in Ireland.

I would also like to know, would you prefer if we were still under britsh control
If so thats shame on you.

Anonymous said...

This gets more interesting by the minute. Some Kissanes on this Blog are clearly Irish Republicians and others more Unionist in outlook. Regardless of whether they are RC or COI today, they are basically Jews in origin and Ballykissane was a Jewish hamlet. There is a monument to three Republicians in BallyKissane. Leave it there as it records an event in Irish history. However 14 sons of Ballykissane lost life and limb in the Wars of the 20th Centuary. They too deserve to be remembered. The difficulty comes when remembering them conflicts with Irish Republicians. The IRA were allies of Nazi Germany and Nazi was determined to kill all Jews and Jewish converts. What is clear is that the community that once was Ballykissane brings mixed emotions. We saw such emotions with the Limerick Pogrom.

Having fled from persecution in the Baltic, a small number of Jewish tradespeople began arriving in Limerick in 1878. They initially formed an accepted part of the city's retail trade, centred on Collooney St. The community established a synagogue and a cemetery in the 1880s. Easter Sunday of 1884 saw the first of what were to be a series of sporadic violent antisemitic attacks and protests. The wife of Lieb Siev and his child were injured by stones and her house damaged by an angry crowd for which the ringleaders were sentenced to hard labour for a month. In 1892 two families were beaten and a stoning took place on November 24, 1986 Many details about Limerick's Jewish families are recorded in the 1901 census that shows most were peddlers, though a few were described as drapery dealers and grocers.
In 1904 a young Catholic priest, Father John Creagh, of the Redemptorist order, delivered a fiery sermon castigating Jews for their rejection of Christ, being usurers and allies of the Freemasons then persecuting the Church in France, taking over the local economy, selling shoddy goods at inflated prices, to be paid for in installments. He urged Catholics "not to deal with the Jews." Later, after eighty Jews had been driven from their homes, Creagh was disowned by his superiors saying that: religious persecution had no place in Ireland. The Limerick Pogrom was the economic boycott waged against the small Jewish community for over two years. Limerick's Protestant community, many of whom were also traders, supported the Jews throughout the pogrom, but ultimately Limerick's Jews fled the city. It was around this time Kissanes abandoned their Jewish traditions. The reason being they would have been slaughtered if they did not change.

Anonymous said...

Neo-Nazis not welcome in Kerry - Sinn Féin

North Kerry Sinn Féin TD Martin Ferris and Tralee Town Councillor Cathal Foley have issued a warning to hotel and pub owners to be weary of taking bookings for functions without knowing the type of function being held. They made their call after being informed that a suspected group of east European neo-Nazis successfully booked a function room in Kerry this weekend to hold a concert for white supremacists.

“In recent court cases in the Czech Republic these groups have been linked with violent racist attacks on ethnic minorities. It is also believed that these groups have strong links with Loyalists based in the 6 counties. We want to state quite clearly that these people are not welcome in Kerry or in Ireland and hopefully if this event has now been stopped that these people will get the message that they will never be welcomed here. ENDS www.indymedia.ie/article/94533

Anonymous said...

Given that Mr Ferris has a criminal record in Ireland for gun running and is associated with the murderers of Gardai are we to assume that the above message is a threat. I believe that Mr Ferris's party supported Germany during WW1 and WW2 and indeed his party's military leader died in a German U boat during WW2. It has always disturbed me as to what they would have done to Ballykissane in the event of a German victory. Ballykissane was a Jewish hamlet. Are we to assume that those who do not agree with SF (not racists, FG, FF, Lab DUP and UUP Irish people, Irish Jews) should as Irish people be very fearful of venturing into North Kerry. I as an Irishman am not sure I would want to visit county Kerry

Anonymous said...

In answer to anonymous November 24th at 7.19am. You asked my opinion about the status of Ireland. I believe we have the best possible solution to Irish question today. The majority in the Republic of Ireland always voted for home rule and later for independence. In a democracy it is only fair that they get their way. I would not want to change that. Likewise in Northern Ireland the present government there has the support of the majority of both communities and the support of the Governments of Dublin and London. This represents the best political solution for Ireland. My regret is that it did not happen in 1886 with the first home rule bill.

As for Ballykissane, the people in the area today for the most part do not know their very strange history. Part of that history is as Jewish Refugees and traders. Another part of that history is of 14 men who died in long forgotten wars. I as a Kissane would like to see them remembered. I would also ask for respect for the existing monument in the area.

Is this too much to ask for ?

Anonymous said...

In the 1970s there used to be a series of Joke books sold in Irish shops and railway stations. One of these was called The Book of Kerryman jokes. Not very PC by todays standards but very funny. Perhaps a "funny peculiar" joke would have been: How you you know you talking to a Kerry Man ? He is probably the man who would support his enemy's enemy even if those he supports want to destroy his village and kill its inhabitants. I know this is not a true reflection of a whole county but it does reflect the attitude of some posters here.

Anonymous said...

The Supreme Council of the IRB met on 5 September 1914, the day after Britain declared war on Germany, where they decided to stage a rising before the war ended, and to accept whatever help Germany might offer. The rebellion was surpressed by a piquet from the 3rd (Reserve) Battalion, Royal Irish Regiment (RIR).

82 rebels killed were killed
1,617 rebels were wounded
16 rebels were executed

Ammy
157 killed
318 wounded

220 civilians killed
600 civilians wounded

Was it Worth it ?

For detils after that see Kerry's Real Fighting Story, 1913-21, ISBN1856353532, Mercier Press, 2001, p289-295.

Later in 1940 the IRA leader Sean Russell allied himself to Germany and enlisted the following POWs to the NAZI cause.


Sergeant John Codd Dublin, County Dublin
Fusilier James Brady Strokestown, County Roscommon
Private Frank Stringer Gravelstown, County Meath
Private William Murphy Enniscorthy, County Wexford
Private Patrick O'Brien Nenagh, County Tipperary
Private Strogen: Duleek, County Meath
Private Crawley: Bridge Street, Mountmellick, County Laois
Private Thomas J. Cushing: Tipperary Town, County Tipperary
Private Andrew Walsh: Fethard, County Tipperary
Civilian James Cromwell O'Neill County Wexford

These people were NAZIS and the IRA were their supporters.

There is no defence for supporting the NAZI cause by Irish Republicians particularly at a time during WW2 when the UK Government offered a united Ireland to the De Velera Government.

Sadly many in County Kerry while not aware of it would have passed the NAZI Jewishness test and would have been killed in the event of a German Victory. It is so sad to see people dely their roots and support the Germany of WW2.

As for those who deny they are converts, you may be a RC Republician today but your immediate family as Rogers are Unionists in Northern Ireland and
both Rogers/Kissane are of immediate Jewish background and your ancestors prior to 1900 were converts.

Look into the Mirror and ask yourself "What am I ?"

Anonymous said...

The Nazis declared Jewishness in their view being a matter of inheritance. Nazi doctrine stressed the importance of physiognomy and genes in determining race, in practice race was determined only through the religions followed by each individual's ancestors. Sean Russell SF/IRA leader was a NAZI supporter and people in Kerry who support or justify tha alliance of the IRA with Nazi Germany would really need to explain their position and not just use their new found anti NAZI position to keep Irish Unionists out of the Counry.

Anonymous said...

Evangelical theology encourages adherents to see themselves in God's plan. A few, like Robert Bradford (Former Belfast MP) who was murdered by the IRA also found a plan for the British (and Irish) nation in the Bible.

As a British Israelite Bradford believed the people of these islands were Israel's lost 10 tribes and that present world events could be found outlined in Biblical texts. Perhaps his opinions which were dismissed as crazy by Irish Republicans may be true when one looks at the background of the Kissane - Rogers family.

Anonymous said...

i am new to this blog and am wonndering how ballykissane got its name

Anonymous said...

Ballykissane got its name as Baile Kissane or Kissane Town. The name Kissane comes from Juan Cassin Rodriguez although his ancestors also had the name too. Cassin Rodriguez gave rise to the name Kissane and Rogers in Ireland. As you will see from the blog the origin is Jewish from France and Spain. But the name has been in Ireland since the early 16th Century. This blog has clearly opened up quite a few cans of worms and not everybody is happy with that.

Anonymous said...

I'm proud to bear the Kissane name, and am one of the Kissanes of North America. It troubles me to hear people cast generalities about Kissanes as though we are controlled by our DNA and destined to repeat injustices of our predecessors as though there is no alternative. There is plenty of guilt and an abundance of injustice on all sides of the Irish-British conflict, and the reality is that unless we Kissanes have inbred (not supported by any facts) we have as much DNA from other sources - and perhaps as much claim to the family fame and honour or shame and dishonor as any other family or clan.

Rants and insults based on our ancestors are truly signs of bigotry and ignorance. A man (or woman) is what he or she is - not what his or her parents were. Please understand that pride in the accomplishments of ancestors goes right along with shame for their misdeeds - but it is all a game of one-upsmanship, nothing more. In the modern world, what our grandparents did are nothing more than chapters in an interesting history book.

Peace

J. A. Kissane - proud to be a Kissane, a Republican on the East side of the Atlantic and a Democrat on the West.

Anonymous said...

For J A Kissane

There is nothing proud about Irish Republician tradition. It has been characterised my murder, 80 years of terror and made Ireland a nation of Rome Rule where priests murdered and buggered children in large numbers. As for Kissanes being inbred. That would appear to be the case with first cousin marriages for 900 years ! You must the such a product.

You may be a Democrat in the US but the IRA is not a democratic organisation. It has murdered elected members of the Dail and NI and UK MPs. You need to see a doctor and get your head sorted.

Anonymous said...

Irish Independent 11 Dec 2009

Pope Benedict XVI has said he is "deeply disturbed and distressed" by a child sex abuse scandal in Ireland and will write a letter to Catholics there on the church's response.

Benedict met senior Irish clergy on Friday in the wake of a report detailing the abuse.

The report was issued last month after a government-ordered investigation into the Dublin Archdiocese. It found that the church shielded more than 100 child-abusing priests from the law


CLEARLY THE DEAD REPUBLICANS ON THE BALLYKISSANE MEMORIAL HAVE LEFT IRELAND WITH A PROUD TRADITION. ROME RULE AND BUGGERING PRIESTS

FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT AGREE. READ THE WORDS OF THE FAMINE SONG SUNG AT RANGERS FOOTBALL EVENTS

Anonymous said...

J. A. Kissane - proud to be a Kissane, a Republican on the East side of the Atlantic and a Democrat on the West.

This site should focus on the events in Ballykissane in 1916. Three men died there as part of an Irish Rebellion. At the time most of the young men of the area were in the army fighting in the Great War. Many people (some but by no means all with the surname Kissane) disagree with the methods of that rebellion which was a form of terrorism.

The key point now is that part of Ireland left the UK on 6th December 1922 and the new state was dominated by the Roman Catholic Church. This is a disgraced organisation in Ireland. Prior to 1801 before Ireland joined the UK, the failings of that Church were recognised and Penal laws were used to restrict Catholic influence in education. We can see today what the effect of Irish Republicians have had on the world with the release of pervert priests world wide. For example:
John Paul II's 25 pedophile priests in Chicago. They were:
Joe Kissane, Vincent McCaffrey, Michael Hogan, Joseph Fitzharris, James Ray and others and were removed from parishes for credible abuse reports. But the parishioners and public were seldom, if ever, told about the abuse. Instead, the archdiocese said the priests departures were for health or personal reasons.

You must be familiar with the case of Joe Kissane. I am certain you are ashamed of his behaviour. There is nothing to be proud about at being a republican to the east of the Atlantic. Maybe you will see the light and be a Republican to the west of the Atlantic and a Fine Gael or Unionist supporter in ROI / NI.

Yours Sincerely
Ian Kissane Rogers

Anonymous said...

For J A Kissane

If you want to learn about bad eggs in families. Here is one for you, you east Atlantic Republican: Kissane, F F. Crime: Murder, conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, possession of explosive substances and unlawful possession of firearms. Found Guilty. Killed a gardener, 5 women cleaners and a priest in Aldershot England in 1972. F***** Kissane is what you Americans call an east Atlantic republican. That is just another name for a murderer. MHRIH

JAK you misguided fool. Terrorists are murderers, ask any New Yorker if they would agree with my opinion.

IKR

Anonymous said...

Perhaps I misuse the term "Republican" as it pertains to the Irish. I hope my admitted ignorance of the hijacking of that term by people as despicable in their own ways as those who have hijacked the honorable designation on this side of the Atlantic may be forgiven. I do not support the violent murders of innocents by either those who seek Irish independence or union with Britain - but rather, I support the freedom of the Irish people to determine their own government, the most operational and representative being a republic - IMHO, and from that standpoint, I support an Irish republic.

The reason I would not call myself a Republican on this side of the Atlantic is that I believe the invasion of Iraq by a Republican regime was a corrupt sham of deceit that has caused the financial and moral bankruptcy of my country and the death of tens of thousands of innocents.

Also, is is wrong to assume that all Catholics support abuses and perversions, or the shameful protection of those responsible for such things. I am Catholic, and I would risk etermal damnation by seeing that anyone doing that to my son would meet final judgement before me and then Him who he might have us believe he serves, in very short order. And I would defend any parent who feels likewise.

And as for condemning those with the surname for the crimes of others with the same surname - that is the height of foolsih bigotry. There are scoundrels and heroes in virtually any family tree. Accusing me of being either with a few hundred words of mine as your sole basis of such a conclusion is mindlessly simplistic. As for the writer implying that I am the consequence of inbreeding, again, you speak from a position of complete ignorance, and should be remided that pointing a finger at someone results in three fingers pointing back at you. We have learned in this country that those who preach the most energetically against the character of their opponents often wind up being shown to have the most to hide, themselves.

And to the unionists, I only say that I do not know enough about the politics of Ireland to fully understand your position. I do understand that as a Christian, I cannot see how someone as full of hatred and the desire for the death of his fellow man as Ian Paisley is could possibly be considered either reverened or a man of God. there is, as I've said, plenty of blame to go 'round, so people need to get over it, and move on peacefully.

Lastly, just as some Irishmen may see me, an American discussing Irish politics as inherently unqualified to do so, I know very bloody well what 9-11 did to New York, and to America - and who was responsible. Shortly thereafter, I stood while the smoke was still rising and breathed the soot and dust that included the ashes of those who were murdered - so please spare me any lecturing on what terrosism is. More Americans died in 24 hours from it than died in any 10 years of Irish terrorism.

J.A. Kissane

Anonymous said...

Perhaps I misuse the term "Republican" as it pertains to the Irish. I hope my admitted ignorance of the hijacking of that term by people as despicable in their own ways as those who have hijacked the honorable designation on this side of the Atlantic may be forgiven. I do not support the violent murders of innocents by either those who seek Irish independence or union with Britain - but rather, I support the freedom of the Irish people to determine their own government, the most operational and representative being a republic - IMHO, and from that standpoint, I support an Irish republic.

The reason I would not call myself a Republican on this side of the Atlantic is that I believe the invasion of Iraq by a Republican regime was a corrupt sham of deceit that has caused the financial and moral bankruptcy of my country and the death of tens of thousands of innocents.

Also, is is wrong to assume that all Catholics support abuses and perversions, or the shameful protection of those responsible for such things. I am Catholic, and I would risk etermal damnation by seeing that anyone doing that to my son would meet final judgement before me and then Him who he might have us believe he serves, in very short order. And I would defend any parent who feels likewise.

And as for condemning those with the surname for the crimes of others with the same surname - that is the height of foolsih bigotry. There are scoundrels and heroes in virtually any family tree. Accusing me of being either with a few hundred words of mine as your sole basis of such a conclusion is mindlessly simplistic. As for the writer implying that I am the consequence of inbreeding, again, you speak from a position of complete ignorance, and should be remided that pointing a finger at someone results in three fingers pointing back at you. We have learned in this country that those who preach the most energetically against the character of their opponents often wind up being shown to have the most to hide, themselves.

And to the unionists, I only say that I do not know enough about the politics of Ireland to fully understand your position. I do understand that as a Christian, I cannot see how someone as full of hatred and the desire for the death of his fellow man as Ian Paisley is could possibly be considered either reverened or a man of God. there is, as I've said, plenty of blame to go 'round, so people need to get over it, and move on peacefully.

Lastly, just as some Irishmen may see me, an American discussing Irish politics as inherently unqualified to do so, I know very bloody well what 9-11 did to New York, and to America - and who was responsible. Shortly thereafter, I stood while the smoke was still rising and breathed the soot and dust that included the ashes of those who were murdered - so please spare me any lecturing on what terrosism is. More Americans died in 24 hours from it than died in any 10 years of Irish terrorism.

J.A. Kissane

Anonymous said...

Wikipedia states

Paisley promotes a form of Biblical literalism, which he describes as "Bible Protestantism". The website of Paisley's public relations arm, the European Institute of Protestant Studies (ianpaisley.org), describes the Institute's purpose as to "expound the Bible, expose the Papacy, and to promote, defend and maintain Bible Protestantism in Europe and further afield." Paisley's website describes a number of doctrinal areas in which he believes that the "Roman church" (which he termed Popery) has deviated from the Bible and thus from true Christianity. These include the doctrine of transubstantiation, which Paisley claims on his website has given rise to "revolting superstitions and idolatrous abuses", the veneration of saints and the Virgin Mary (excessive and not Biblically supported, in Paisley's view), and the institution of the Papacy, which Paisley believes has no biblical foundation.

In 1988, when Pope John Paul II delivered a speech to the European Parliament, Paisley shouted "I Denounce you as the AntiChrist!" and held up a red poster reading "Pope John Paul II ANTICHRIST" in black letters. John Paul continued with his address after Paisley was ejected from the hemicycle by fellow MEPs.[7][8][9][10] Some reports claimed that other MEPs assisted in expelling him from the chamber [11], and that Paisley was booed and struck by other MEPs, who also hurled objects at him, leading to his hospitalisation[12][13]. The elderly Otto von Habsburg helped to wrestle Paisley out of the room. It has been reported that Paisley brought several posters with him and when a poster was snatched away, he immediately re-commenced with a new poster[13]


With recent Irish Government investigations into RC church child abuse, many agree with Dr Paisley's opinions. He is not seen as a figure of hate anymore.He is the man who did a deal with Sinn Fein.

Anonymous said...

Ian Paisley, Dick Cheney, and all the pedophiles of the world will cause such a stir in hell some day that the place will implode into a black hole of depravity. People like Paisley seem to mellow when they realize they don't know all the answers they thought they did, and realize also that they may have more to answer to after they de than they did when they were alive.

Anonymous said...

Have a look at number 36 on the attached link

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/il_chicago/#kissane

The paedophiles (note spelling -anon Dec 18th 11.59 pm) are Catholic priests, mainly Irish

But more to the point about Ballykissane. The area has been in the news for all the wrong reasons over the past few days. A woman was raped, the rapist was filmed on cctv and was convicted in court. 50 towns people including the local priest came out to support the rapist in court at the time of sentencing. The idea of a Catholic priest giving a character reference to a convicted rapist does not surprise many people. Perhaps before picking on Ian Paisley or Dick Cheney, Ballykissane should look at its own behaviour.

BTW Read the words of "the famine song". The world knows about Listowel - Ballykissane, the Republican statue to 3 drunken Republicans and that virtuous of the area left after the first world war leaving what we have today: supporters of convicted rapists, priests and that statue

Ian Kissane Rogers

Anonymous said...

Ian Kissane Rogers - I;d be interested to know who those people defending the scum who raped the woman - I don't see it anywhere in my news. But I've not been to Ballykissane, myself, and I doubt there are 50 Kissanes left thereabouts who would be inclined to speak out on behalf of a rapist - If you have more information beyond the words in a blog, I'm all for reading it.


I neither condone nor defend rapists or their apologists/defenders - be they Catholic Protestants or Martians.

Interesting that you are posting under the name Ian Kissane Rogers - you must know that William Kissane Rogers was not the most noble person of that line - and if one wanted to condemn someone for being Catholic, being proud of the Kissane surname, or taking pride in the accomplishments of someone they are related to - it is ironic to post in the name so close to that of such a notorious bad guy. I don't hold his actiona against you - unless you claim to follow directly in his footsteps.

Anonymous said...

Irish Times 22 Dec 2009

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/1219/1224260980057.html


By Ann Lucy

Priest who backed convicted sex offender resigns

THE LISTOWEL parish priest at the centre of controversy this week when he expressed support for a convicted sex offender has resigned from his parish duties, the Diocese of Kerry announced yesterday.

On Thursday Bishop of Kerry Bill Murphy distanced himself from remarks by Fr Seán Sheehy at the sentencing hearing of Danny Foley (35), and his subsequent criticism of the jury verdict and sentencing.

Fr Sheehy was one of 50 people who shook hands in court with Foley, who was convicted two weeks ago of the sexual assault of a young woman in a car park in Listowel in June 2008.

In a statement issued on his behalf yesterday, the bishop praised the courage of the victim in the case for coming forward and he apologised to her on behalf of himself and his diocese.

“This morning Fr Seán Sheehy and Bishop Bill Murphy met. In view of recent events Fr Seán Sheehy offered to withdraw from his work in the parish of Castlegregory,” the statement read.

“The Bishop of Kerry accepted his offer which takes effect from today, Friday the 18th of December. Fr Seán Sheehy, having retired from an American diocese, was substituting for the parish priest of Castlegregory.”

Meanwhile, the aunt of the victim has claimed her niece was subjected to continuing intimidation on the streets of Listowel and had to telephone her mother on one occasion to come and collect her.

“It’s really scary,” the victim’s aunt Ann told RTÉ radio’s Drivetime .“She had three people come up to her . . . people she knew all her life . . . and said things to her. She didn’t know what way to turn. She didn’t know what to do. She just stood there and cried and called her mother.

“She has basically said she is sorry she that has gone forward with this . . . I said to her never never feel sorry for coming forward for doing what is right to do. You saved somebody else from going through the same thing.

“We’ve gotten justice but people just won’t give us breathing space, give her time out.”

Asked what she would tell Fr Sheehy, she replied: “You’re a disgrace to the Irish people and you’re a disgrace to the people of Listowel,” and he should have “left his collar at home”.

She thanked the people of Ireland and a “small minority in Listowel” for their support.

The intimidation has led to fears that the annual Listowel Writers’ Week may be boycotted. Town councillors were due to meet informally last night to discuss the fears.

The victim is to give a news conference later today.

This is being organised by the Kerry Rape Crisis Centre in Tralee. The victim will retain her anonymity.

Foley was jailed for five years on Wednesday for sexually assaulting the woman.

The court heard a Garda patrol found her semi-conscious and semi-naked, and Foley kneeling over her.

He first claimed to gardaí he “found your wan” and was trying to revive her. He changed his story when he became aware of CCTV footage showing him carrying the woman to the spot where gardaí found them.

Anonymous said...

This blog has descended to the lowest of the low. The assault described above has been the major news story over the past week due to the involvement of a priest. To the best of my knowledge from reading the local newspapers, no kissane had any form of involvement in the case. This blog should stick to the point.

Anonymous said...

What has the case in listowel got to do with ballykissane or kissanes, besides nobody knows the full story behind that case, dont belive everything you read.

Anonymous said...

Clearly the Judge and Jury knew quite a lot about the case.

Ballykissane on the point of the blog has a statue to a cause that not all who write on this blog are happy about.

The world today does not need statues to terrorists. What it needs is the likes of William Kissane-Rogers to take on Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia just as WKR did in China and Nicaragua in the 19th Century.

Anonymous said...

This blog is about as diverse as one can be, I suppose. There are reactionaries who appear to equate communists and fascists - when the two are philosophically incompatible. The Germans of WW-I and WW-II were both imperialists in some respects, although the Nazis had their significant differences with the regime in power during WW-I.
There are references to Kissanes as Jews, and trying to somehow equate that with modern Zionists - "the Zionist scum whose actions you cite were connected to the IRA scum. " I would be interested in knowing how the IRA scum got so chummy with the Zionists and trained with the PLO in the 60s and 70s. That would indicate a feat of remarkable international diplomacy worthy of at least a bit of respect.
The bigoted anti-Semitism and/or anti-Catholicism applied to Kissanes and Rogers families on this blog is unbelievable in the 21st Century. Most Kissanes in the U.S., and I'd be willing to bet there are almost as many here as in Ireland or the U.K., are secular Catholics or not non-practicing non-denominational Christians. But whether they fit into that group or if they are Jewish, Orthodox, or whatever, the religious bigotry against a an entire family spread across the globe is unwarranted and simply ignorant.
As to the rants against Catholics as pedophiles - however you spell it on your side of the Atlantic, it ought to be noted that such beasts exist in all faiths, and the majority of them in the U.S. are not Irish. There was a priest named Joseph P. Kissane who was disgraced and disciplined in the 1990s for abuses, and I am not related to him - at least as far back as the last 150-years can determine, and never met or had any contact with him. So I need not be ashamed of his actions - they were not our (Kissanes, Catholics or whatever) misdeeds or crimes, and I challenge anyone to find a family surname or organized religion or political group, for that matter that is free of individuals who may have committed criminal or moral misconduct or crime - it doesn't exist. But as to child abusers - they are not all Catholic, either. The most atrocious cases in the U.S. lately seem to be fundamentalist Christians and Mormons. None of this is in defense of them, be they Catholic, Mormon or whatever. And if you are trying to tie the Kissanes to the pedophiles among the Irish Catholic Priests at the same time you are trying to make them out to be Zionist Jews, there seems to be a disconnect - almost as vast as that between fascists and communists, but whatever makes you feel superior, I suppose is ok.
As is stated throughout, it seems this blog was started to discuss the monument in Ballykissane. I think the monument may have had some romantic goals associated with it - in terms of attracting tourism and notoriety, but those goals have been overshadowed by controversy associated with undesirable groups like neo-Nazis and unwelcome political entities within Ireland. My own thoughts are that it was based on an exaggeration of the importance of the people it commemorates and their significance. They were likely what today's people might call "wannabe rebels," whose actions led to their own demise without impact or meaning. I have expressed my views - whether they be invalidated by my American citizenry or not - the monument is what it is - and it ought not detract from the nobility and honour of others from the region who served with valour against imperialists and ghastly Nazis - or any other foes in battle.

Anonymous said...

In answer to Jan 5th 2010 1.02 pm

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the british empire caused a famine in ireland causing millions of people immigration and death, these fenian men tried to free their country and died while doing so. have you any respect.

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I have no respect for the culture of violence of Fenians or for that matter the UVF of 1912 and later. These people lead the Island of Ireland to become two almost failed states. Catholic Ireland from 1922 to 1994 and Protestant Ulster from 1922 to 1997 were nasty places that frankly do not deserve respect.

As for the famine, it represented a great national loss. However the population growth of that time was not unstainable. For example the county of Leitrim: In 1840 it had a rural population of 150,000. Today it has 30,000 people and still struggles to maintain even that reduced number. The Famine was a disaster waiting to happen. If one looks at BallyKissane (The town of Kissanes). When Kissanes maintained their Jewish faith or when they converted to CoI their family size was usually 4. Those who became RC in Co. Kerry in the 19th Century had huge families, sometimes up to 20 children. Their religious faith condemned them to poverty. Today, we can see that faith for what it was/is. Priestcraft is no longer a respected profession in Ireland.

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PS BTW The famine did not affect Kissanes in Ballykissane. They did not eat too many spuds ! Sheep was their main farming activity together with fishing.

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Sorry, I should have said that the population growth was unsustainable. My double negative in typing was due to anger at the previous poster.

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It disgusts me to see unrelated sexual postings on this blog. There are serious issues raised in this Blog. Central to me is the invasion by Irish Republicans of a tiny hamlet with a Jewish tradition. These same people object when Loyalists march in Northern Ireland. Republicans should stay away from Ballykissane. They were never welcome there and the sight of masked pro German thugs marching on Marrano land is a terrible reflection of modern Ireland.

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im sorry, but i dont understand how you can say "pro German thugs" are not welcome in a modern Ireland when in fact if it wasnt for the likes of the men who died in ballykissane there would not be a modern Ireland, it was the IRA the gained freeedom in this country you know

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